Hmm Obama talked about the normal families unlike McCain who talked about people in general that work. Focus on the middle class please! All those attacks on McCain make me feel sympathetic for him but...go Obama! Back to watching I go.
I love the way McCain is skipping around the regulation topic and went straight to oil. Spoken like a true republican it's all about oil. Yes becoming free of foreign oil is important but destroying Alaska and and offshore drilling is not the answer. People do not like Obama because he is realistic. Its true everything wont happen all at once. It is all going to take time. I think it's important for all of us to understand that they are human not magicians. For either of them to say differently would be a lie.
i'm sure the billionaries will be fine with a little tax hike. Who are we kidding we need the money and those with money can live without their golden toilet seats so that we can go to college and our siblings and children have the opportunities to go to public school. We need that money for health insurance because when illness comes the bills will stack up.
McCain wants to give the 300 billion tax cuts and give the Wall-Street workers even more money. Obama is pro middle class. McCain also wants to give 200 billion of the tax cuts to oil companies as well. What was the point of all this especially when hes just giving back to those sorts of companies. McCain also uses cronyism to attack Obama and his "cronies."
So far I think Obama's views on the economy are more viable then John McCain's.....Obama seems pretty serious about helping the middle class or the "ordinary families" in buying out the bad mortgages of homes which is significantly the biggest problem with america today. He also wants to lower taxes on 95% of the working class and increasing cuts while lowereing spending which in his view would level the national budget defecit. McCain on the other hand is more concerned on pointing out the "over head projector" Obama proposed for Illnois and he simply is focused on fingerpointing everything Obama voted for which i think wont convince thes uncommitted voters of Ohio. The economy is a major priority for Obama as well as it for McCain and obama has the better end.....he just simply wants America to work together with him and to make "sacrifices"....and just to point out...McCain again is accusing Obama of favoring tax cuts when Obama just said thats the exact opposite of what he is going to do....
McCain presents his proposals with such optimism that it seems quite implausible. "It's not that difficult to fix social security" - he makes everything seem easy to fix to appeal to the audience (well duh - he wants people to vote for him). Obama, on the other hand, seems to know what he's doing, especially since he often starts his planned procedures with "Step one...Step two..." etc.
the pilgrims came to this country they dreamed that they could build a free nation were they could be happy and do the things they wanted. it was not logical to get on a boat and sail an ocean hardly traveled. It was not logical to leave a place of comfort for a dream but that worked out didn't it. This country was built on dreams. This country was built on taking chances. The revolution is another example of that England was a super power with a powerful organized army logically it would have been smart for the colonist to shut up and take it because how could they beat an army with history and strength. we did that too. it was a dream that became a reality because enough people believed in it so start believing because if you don't your only making it harder for this country to get out of the ditch we are in.
Theres a problem with off-shore drilling and McCain says that it is neccessary to cut oil prices in America because of more supply but what happens when all the oil is drilled off? we used 25% of earth's oil. We need to stop and find alternatives that Obama mentioned like solar, wind and etc.
i don't think it's propaganda the difference between the 1970s and now is that everything is catching up with us. now the effects are actually showing. I agree that there are things going on that need to be taken care of NOW! and one of them is HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!!!!
although i am not a fan of either i go for obama. mccain doesnt address the middle class. instead he wants to freeze the market which will not solve the economic problem. Also, mccain just wants to give you $5,000 n buy private insurance which is in the market. in the state of our economy if u buy ur insurance check the next day and see if the market is still covering you. chances are... THEY R NOT!
McCain Voted "AGAINST" childrens health care....i mean i might be wrong but...so far obama is just having the upper hand on this...hes just settled into this debate
kate what are you talking about the pollutions was 10 times worse in the 1970s, that was the breaking point, but now its the war on energy, and everyones worrying moe about the enviroment. its stabilized, and i do agree that the environment is the least ofour problems.
maybe mccain didnt watch the documentary sicko. but i mite give him an introduction to it because his idea is just rediculous. if giving $ to people actually solved the problems why dont the countries lk england fance n canada do it? because they have a form of universal healthcare... hmmm now i wonder why that works! because its government regulated!!!!!
you hear that... NOTHING 2 DO WITH 9/11!!!! why must we invade a nation that a. do not want anything to do with us b. helping a country and spending about 700billion dollars when these ppl have 79 billion $ surplus!
mccain is justifying America's brown-nosing in the world. he believes that by keeping the troops in Iraq, the troops would gain honor and pride among the ranks. How can you say that when they are in a country that has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11?
how will recent econominc distress affect us ability to be a peacemaker? I agree on how Obama sees that the war in Iraq is pointless but nonetheless he doesnt forget about the troops and their risking of lives.....but $700 billion is alot of money....and with that kind of money the U.S would of probably never dug the hole its in today
patrick i am saying that now is worse than the 1970s because we have to deal with the effects of then and what has happened in the last 38 years. that may have been the point in time when the pollution was the highest but there sure wasn't the global issues we have now.
THANK YOU!!!! why are we helping a country that doesnt want us versus helping places like Darfur! it makes no sense. if al kaida was in iraq dont you think we would have found them after 7 years! this is a country! not a continent! it doesnt take that long! logic is necessary!
I thought the issue about health insurance was interesting. I liked how Obama said he would find those who couldn't afford health insurance and give it to them. That way no one would be left out and everyone would have the coverage they need. McCain's argument against Obama I thought was stupid. Giving everyone $5,000 tax refund isn't the answer. Some who don't have health insurance might use that money for something else. And at the end, they still wouldn't have health insurance because they used the money on other important things like food, pay for rent, etc. Giving an opportunity is good, but some make the wrong decisions from those opportunities.
I swear, McCain wants honor from trying to win the war where we should just withdraw. It doesnt make sense, our troops are there retartedly. Theres no honor when there are so many people there. Lives are being risked so withdrawing right away.
McCain says will bring our troops in honor and victory....i mean correct me if im wrong but at the rate were going i dont think we will win any time soon this war was supposed to be a one month thing and look at today no one can put a end to it
McCain just doesn't understand. By keeping the troops there, we already ARE making the situation worse. Plus, the spending in Iraq will reach 1 trillion, which is 1/10th out national debt.
Ultimately, both candidates strongly believe America is a great country. I personally think this belief does actually trace back to the colonial times, because, like Kate said, the Europeans relied on their dreams and hopes to live. But the Europeans extremely affected America that remnants of European culture still linger in our society today - specifically the belief of superiority. But such feeling of superiority over other nations have made America commit distasteful actions (like invading other countries) and basically making itself the bully of the world.
Obama knows what he's saying. What we're doing now with Pakistan is arguably what European countries did with Hitler before World War II. We're just giving money while they're making treaties with others.
there is no honor in a war that the american people do no support. it is called pride and mccain is full of it. mccain likes to take things out of context. obama did not say he was going to announce attacking pakistan. he said he was going to sit with them... thats the smartest thing to do. keep your allies close but keep your enemies closer
patrick i think isolation is a little extreme and virtually impossible being that we are in NATO. aside from that, a lot of the NATO allies like Spain have contributed to the war in iraq. they will only badmouth more if we do not repay the favor
our national debt over the last 8 yrs has more than doubled....the war in afghanistan is like invisble no one talks about it any more while the U.S. spends more money in 3 weeks of combat missions of Iraq than they did for the whole afghanistan war....obama is morally making sense...everything will CHANGE when hes president
I agree with Judith and that we must repay our respects to certain countries from NATO that helped us with the war. WIthout them, situations in America would be worse.
true mendim, but if he wishes to stay in office, he can't always obligate to make decisions solely based on his morals...he might have to make some decisions thathe doesn't feel right doing, but it will benefit the country
mccain is just contradicting himself. in the last debate he said he wouldnt even sit with the emperor of spain. however now he wants to say we should work closely with pakistan. aside from all that, he completely forgot what they initial lie for entering iraq was; the weapons of mass destruction. if that was true why didnt we go to North Korea... because they are not stupid enough. this is definitely not about any of that. they need to get their reasons in order
Exactly, we have to move out. Who knows, this war might even turn out as long as the vietnam war and last for a total of 9 years with the views of McCain. He only cares about respect.
obama speaks of GUIDING not CONTROLLING he also spoke of using non combat groups to GUIDE. those are effective ways. we have to gain trust if we want to strengthen allies
mccain is just like the old republicans. waving the bloody shirt and its just getting old. again with the nuclear weapons. he wants to join with allies to put pressure but he doesnt want to sit with the emperor of spain... good job mccain
"tough sanctions"....he just wants another reason to start more wars....negoitiating is the primary way to go about something rather than going staright into war
"tough sanctions"....he just wants another reason to start more wars....negoitiating is the primary way to go about something rather than going staright into war
I agree with judith. obama also brings up a good point when he says that america has been reactive, which has made us safe. And that's a problem with America, that the country doesn't take action. Also, McCain is using the excuse that we're a big bad nation who shouldn't be messed with. Umm, didn't that sound familiar to the Iraq War, and looked what happened
good point mendim! also obama's point on sitting with the enemies make a lot of good points. if we do not get comfortable with our enemies the probability of nuclear weapons will increase
definitely the american dream is not the same and its because of money and his economic policy really seems to improve it all because the economy all depends on the middle class. mccain only wants to talk about war... the war that the UN was completely against... the war that no one wants and is costing us money. we need that money or our generation will greatly suffer as obama said. (and pandolfino said WE were going to destroy the economy lol)
Good talk Obama, how to pass the American Dream to the next generation is a mojor issues and children even us need it if we want to thrive in this country
Not only does Obama have a iron fist on this matter, he basically leaves McCain in the dust. Obama wants to negotiate, which should always have been done by the US, first instead of fighting. McCain, in general, just wasn't as strong on matters than Obama tonight. If he wishes to become president, McCain better make some rational opinions. In a way, McCain is "waving the bloody shirt" since he's using his military service as a qualification for presidency.
I agree with william, McCain continously throughout the debate talk about an unknown person that wields wisdom and judgement while not refering to who this person or the existence. He need to put more facts into his debate
McCain surely did a number on the offense against Obama's argument in the American economy. I don't think he should do that time from time for most questions.
the 100th comment....obama i think is the better candidate for America and that is showing in the polls....the issue of health care and the economy are the major problems that we are facing....that is what the american people want to hear and from this debate obama emerged as a winner
obama has the edge so far, since his solutions and responses were pretty strong. Obama looks like he will hit those problems head on, and even though he may still be green, he has reason and morals, a good mesh which should do him good in office.
Wow. I am BEYOND impressed by all of your responses. This is so exciting! All of your comments sophisticated, perceptive and well argued. Keep them coming post debate and we will discuss in class tomorrow. I think you should all be paid as political pundits to comment on the next debate.
I feel that throughout the beggining, John McCain kept discussing taxes because it was one of the only ties he had to the middle class in which he discussed broadly. He wants to cut taxes, but with what budget? The United States is stuck in the wrath of the war and McCain believes we should remain in Iraq to "help promote democracy", but then what makes him think he has the ability to go throught with a tax cut of approximately 3 million dollars? McCain didn't finish off with a strong lead because he continued to attack the idea's of Barack Obama. At one point he accused Obama of wanting to attack Pakistan. But i think most importantly, we should be focused on the whole education and economic issues because if the economy doesn't progress, then we are basically screwed for coming up with money for student loans. Barack Obama adressed the issue of education and made it evident that a change in the economy must be made for future college students. McCain did not mention education AT ALL which is significant to our future. Experience has nothing to do with the capability of changing the nation because if we allow another Bush replica to take control of our country we will never see a bright future , but one filled with war, environmental issues, and economical depressions. Oh by the way, did anyone pay attention to the fact that McCain said its ok to drill oil because it will make oil cheaper? He obviously doesn't care about the environment !
I definitely agree with William’s point on how McCain likes “waving the bloody shirt” as a way to appeal to the people. And I think McCain also knows that he is exhausting that tactic and it’s clearly obvious in the way he attacked Obama’s past tonight in the debate. I also found a couple of McCain’s proposal to be quite ironic. First, Obama made a really good point about McCain’s 5,000 tax credit plan and how McCain was giving credit with one hand and taking back with the other – that, right off the bat, sounds quite sneaky to me. Second, it’s clear that McCain would so prefer oil over other alternative energy sources despite what he says – look at how many times he voted against alternative energies in the past: TWENTY THREE TIMES. That must tell you something right there.
Now I dont even know where to begin with everything that happened in that debate, and even with this debate! But the way the candidates presented themselves I feel has a standpoint of how they will lead our country. McCain was very disrespectful towards Obama, yes they are competing but they are also adults, he should not have wasted the minutes badmouthing Obama and used it to clearly state a plan. I also feel McCain contradicts himself how can you want to spend money on Solar, Wind, Nuclear Energy but then in your next response talk about drilling, Does he want to help our world or ruin it? I really like that Obama touched upon helping the middle class, I really feel like that will help our economy and country as a whole. Both of their ideas were filled with "wishful thinking", but it will not happen overnight. I do believe that either president that enterse office is going to have a difficult time fixing things first before they start any one of their "new" plans. I smiled when McCain mentioned "Croynism" just because it was a word we just learned, hopefully our kids wont have to defend the presidents of today, and find information to make them have a bad reputation!
NOOOOOOOOO! i missed the debate tonight cause of stupid work, but yes, CSPAN! :]
i was reading the early on comments and i loved what kate said: action comes from dreams. it does. martin luther king as we all know, had a dream and it has partially come true.
(fyi, mccain voted aganist having martin luther king day.....HMMMM. great role model to have in our next presidency. )
i will read the ny times point by point and then comment! can't wait! I LOVE POLITICS.... :D
yes yes mendim!! a recent poll showed obama carrying 51% of the voters polled!!!! he also has a large number of electoral votes in his hand and it continues to increase every day!
i was wondering where you were annmarie :) yea they mentioned something briefly at the intro to the debate about how Obama has enough electoral votes to win, we"ll see!
Well im not voting for either side of the story but YEAH I FINALLY GOT MY LAPTOP BACK now i shall post my opinion everyone says that obama's plan to help the economy is the way but obama has NOTHING to back it up cause first of all Obama's plan is just a 50% credit but what is that really going to do to small business. Small businesses are closing the doors everyday nowadays and Obama's plan to help the so called working class will ruin more businesses and ruin economy more. I have to say in a economic stand point Mcain will help more small businesses and help them grow because of the 500k. Also everyone is hating on the BIG businesses but EVERYONE FORGOT THAT BIG BUSINESSES ARE THE REASON WHY OUR LIVES IN THE US ARE THIS CHEAP. If they have harder taxes what wont make them raise prices and before you know it everything will be more expansive and the cost of living will raise while our taxes are "lowered" but the cost of living rising. So If you really want to say that obama's plan of taxing Big businesses will help it really wont.
Now to critize Mccains plans Mcain has a solid plan to help small businesses and large but his plan to offer health care are horrible because he doesn't have a concrete plan to get everyone the care they need but Obama specifically pointed out how he will provide the health care and used the example of his mother. (that was kinda sad) but yea, when Mccain was asked about the war on iraq he was too broad because how is he so sure that he can get the support of Iraq, Afgan, etc. Because from what i see, we actually kinda tried that but failed. Mccain also kept critizing Obama when he should have kept the point straight because he kept switching topics and it was hard to understand where he was taking it.
how do we fix this uhh global warming power? the answer is of course NUCLEAR POWER! yes, mccain how smart. let's go ahead and build these potential chernoybl reactors and heck, why not, let's even put them around low income areas, just as the one in west point is. i mean, so what if the reactor can have a "little" explosion as it did in PA and emit clouds of noxious gases which the winds blow it towards towns and cities? yes, mccain. let's build nuclear power plants! forget alternative energies!
oh and yes DRILL BABY DRILL. offshore drilling will reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but we put at risk our waters, our wildlife, and habitats. if oil spills happen at these areas, the economic result is trendmous. fish will die, which will affect fishing industries, mainly of which, these offshore drilling areas are dependent on.
as for the comment that gsl said, if we had more small businesses, we, the consumer can have more of a variety to chose from areas, essentially making those prices lower to the consumer. compare a coffee made from a small business to starbucks - yes the coffee may have some fancy name, but if the coffee is made with the same care, it will still taste the same and be cheaper. its like shopping and savings - having a more varied array of places to choose from makes the prices cheaper.
i say let's tax those who make huge amounts of money in their big business. let them stop spending their money on a house in the hamptons and give back to the federal government.
I love Obama, like really. McCain looks like an old penguin ready to collapse, then YAY Palin will have to be president -.- . McCain is too disrespectful to Obama, always with a cocky attitude. Although he does have more experience, it's time for a different change in politics. There's too much to risk right now with the economic crisis & war at risk. Both problems come hand in hand which only makes it more difficult.
Obama's need to support and guide the middle class as well as tax cuts and regulation is most important. Support homeowners, health care, and small businesses should be dealt with after our economy lands on its feet. Yeah, McCain has all these so-called strategies for families and giving back to them, but where is the money coming from? We put our country more in debt w| this stupid war, borrowing from otheer countries & losing respect as the U.S. It's pretty depressing how we stick our noses in places it shouldn't be, then the middle class pays for it. The irony of Japan's success and our economic crisis is funny. Obama morally makes sense & he ACTUALLY ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS, unlike McCain and his maverick buddy Palin. They're both idiots to an extreme.
Drilling & energy conservation is also a major issue. McCain believes in drilling, which is totally ridiculous. We attain 25% of the world's oil according to him, and yet wants to disturb the oil we have to preserve. I thought Palin was aware of environmental crisis' and alternative energies? RIIIIIIGHT. Obama made an important point; he states more jobs would help the middle class by applying more environmental issues in politics. Just as computers had when they first emerged, solar, wind, whichever energy would create severallllll jobs.
I agree w| kate, people don't like Obama because he IS realistic. he addresses the questions and always finds himself correcting McCain. All that comes out of McCain's mouth are cliche and obvious solutions about the American people and our economy. NO DUH .
OBAMA '08!
however, watching these debates with my dad made me realize. Not every candidate keeps their world to some extent. If that were the case, we wouldn't be experiencing such an era of corruption, mismanagement, and, on McCain's side, stupidity.
anyways, night night pple (: p.s : Obama, McCain, always. i love you anna :D
on a side note, there are those ignorant few that say "it doesn't matter, we can't vote." guess what. just because we can't vote doesn't mean we shouln't pay attention to your potential next leader, especially since we will be 18 within a year and this will be affecting our generation and lives.
OBiden 08!
p.s. we should totally have a discussion on the vp debate..... tee-hee ;]
While watching the presidential debate I noticed that Obama focused more on the middle class while McCain focused the general people. Throughout the debate there were constant attacks against each other but I thought McCain was more aggressive towards Obama, however Obama did manage to defend himself. Also, I noticed that Obama answered the questions more effectively than McCain did. Obama’s plan on health insurance was, in my opinion, better because he would give health insurance to people who couldn’t afford it and give it to them. On the other hand, McCain proposed to give tax refund which is not beneficial because most families have certain priorities and they could spend that money given on those priorities, which may or may not be health care. Pertaining to the international affairs issue, Obama states important facts about the US’s relationships with other nations, which I personally agree on. McCain was focused his idea on bringing the soldiers back with honor, but how long will that take if it were to happen that way? Overall, I think Obama answered the questions more effectively than McCain did, and Obama focuses more on the middle class people and what would benefit them.
in my opinion Obama gave better answers to his questions. He really hit the point in my opinion about health insurance, that he will look for those that cannot afford it and those that need it and do not have it. McCain on the other hand showed some good points by using his experience. Also McCain really tried to effectively attack Obama but could not manifest that anger inside him which could have brought him on top as the dominating figure in the debate. Obama was able to defend himself very well and overall was a more decent individual concentrating on the topic that is needed to be fixed, McCain gave an obvious range of what needs to be fixed but that is what anyone can say and assume and that is what everyone sees. Obama emphasizes the most crucial matters and expands on them while McCain just grasps the whole without elaborating on it. Therefore Obama showed himself as the individual that is more fit to be leading the race at the moment.
I found it interesting how obama and mccain were verbally attacking one another, while mccain seemed to be doing it more so than obama. In addition, I liked that he seemed to care for the environment by saying that he didn't want to hand the future generation, a damaged planet; while obama stumped him by reminding everyone that he had voted against alternative forms of energy all 23 times it was discussed. He sounds much more well versed in comparison to mccain and the fact that he criticized mccain's previous actions or plans but replaced them with the way in which he would change things to better the economy, the working class, and the people or areas of need is very effective. He went against the tax cut because of its ability to benefit big corporations and leave the working class in the clutter.
Mccain also wanted to start drilling offshore for oil to make prices cheaper whereas Obama wants our nation to escape from our dependence on oil in ten years which is clearly the better option. His ideas about healthcare are also particularly potent in terms of providing solutions because he suggested to mandate that businesses provide health coverage for their employees and increasing funds to allow all children to obtain health insurance which mccain has gone against twice before. So, after all the arguments had been made, i feel as though obama made the better speech and won the debate because he answered the questions directly with realistic solutions while mccain was making excuses for himself.
mccain is the past and obama is the present.mccain has a uphill battle in 8 of the battle ground states.this because he thinks he can win on the past.mccain should have won in 2000.now it is to bad and to sad mccain.obama08
ooo man im a little to late...but anyway im not going to get into a heated debate because most of Barak's FANBASE is purely a trend in pop culture. most of you guys dont know how this country is organized... You see big business pay taxes...more than small businesses because small business dont have resources to pay millions of dollars on taxes...so while many small business are struggling and shutting down their shops, guess what Barak you arent going to help us by taxing small business...how do you think this would affect you? I see everyone with sodas and bagels everyday meaning that raising taxes would raise the prices of your local goods but if you guys are ok with this then good job Barak supporters you are very loyal. Im also glad about the point of hybrids that someone pointed out during class. So you guys say that Barak is pro middle class yet he wants to use alternative fuels and things of that sort. Does your family have 20,000 thousand dollars that they could use right now to buy a toyota prius? if they dont then i guess supporting alternative energy is pointless if you arent going to use it. Also trucks that deliver goods arent going to be able to buy hybrid trucks at the moment because of the economic failures that Mr McCain is in the process of mending. Also isnt nuclear energy is an alternative energy so i guess there was alot of contradicting in class today which is something normal. Barak's plan on healthcare seems very familar...a bit communist wouldnt you agree? (before you reply to this please do some research). Like i said in my 4th period class i think Mr McCain's outlook on healthcare is the best and most realistic at the moment. Federal Healthcare would only have one price and would be sort of a monopoly on healthcare. Also the doctors would have to agree with this plan since they are the ones that provide our services. Also the competition that a plethora healthcare companies provide is great to the lowering of prices in their services since they would try to obtain the most consumers to their company meaning lowering their prices and providing more benefits. please no flaming...and if you are going to reply to my comment please do so in a civilized manner and with logic...not with dreams
i also would like you all to research the energy policy act of 2005 (since Barack supported it) and see if you agree with it...Mr McCain voted against it
700,000 dollars more in taxes for people making 2.5 million dollars is ridiculous. That's almost a third of their yearly income. Am I in favor of tax CUTS for these people? Obviously not, and neither is McCain. Everyone is paying enough taxes to support every aspect of the government EXCEPT the ongoing war, and neither candidate could possibly think that we are going to exist with no military action, as they have both made clear. I wholeheartedly agree with Barack Obama's indication that we need to go into Pakistan because we are spoon feeding them billions of dollars and meanwhile they're gallivanting around being uncooperative and not caring.
Anyway, an increase in the capital gains tax is ridiculous as well. At a time when the stock market is taking drops of record proportions, why would we want to discourage investment in it? Why would we want to punish people who are already suffering enough by saying "I know you're losing money, and now when you go to sell we're going to take even more because it's more important to me that the middle class doesn't see me directly raising their taxes"-Barack Obama (okay, so maybe it's not a direct quote) Not only that, a raise in the capital gains tax will ultimately result in less money being made by it. Herbert Hoover raised tariffs and trading came close to a halt. Wouldn't a big tax increase on selling stock have the same effect on the stock market? Less people trading means less money coming in. It is blatantly clear that a capital gains tax is the
All I have to say is get your head out of the clouds, Obama. It really is a shame that the Democratic Party elected you to run. Pretending you're not going to slap tax increases around everywhere when you're proposing something as absurd as universal health care isn't even a clever charade. Maybe you can hide it from your disillusioned fanclub but I'm banking on the fact that most of America can see through your facade and will vote the right way come election day.
I'm also banking on the fact that McCain will NOT die during his term so we won't have that psychopath Palin for president. Honestly, "global warming is an act of God"? When did the Republican Party become associated with nut jobs like her so closely that she could be VP?
I can honestly say I did not proof read that at all so don't hold the grammar/spelling mistakes that might be in there against me (:
in response to janard's comment in a "civilized manner with logic", AS WELL as with education:
if the government were to invest more money into alternative energy, make car companies have a required 30 over MPG, and offer subsidies to car companies, as well as electric companies, the prices will in fact lower. the reason a solar panel can cost more than $20,000 is because there are a few small companies making them, whereas gas and oil is MUCH cheaper because the government has offered them subsidies and supports them even more now.
at the moment, there are a few subsidies offered to alternative power companies. and those few subsidies are either a) not known because the government doesn't promote it or b) not even nearly enough to help produce wind turbines/mills, solar panels and so on and so forth. for example, did you know that con ed. actually has a green power plan that you can switch to? it is called con ed. solutions and it elimantes sales tax on your bill, offers fixed AND variable rates. i'm guessing you didn't, unless it was taught in environmental seminar. why is it that this plan isn't known as widely throughout new york city residents? the answer is simple and has deep roots within the republican party: LACK OF EDUCATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF INFORMATION. of course mccain wants to drill baby drill, because it will not only benefit those "big businesses", but as well as his stocks and cronies. if the government were to offer more ways of distributing this information of green powers and its subsidies and incentives offered, more people would be willing to jump on it. otherwise, most people have a mindset of paying "$20,000" for a hybird car. and if the government were to require those trucks that do travel large distances to upgrade to a 30+ MPG, OFFER SUBSIDIES to do so and require it by LAW, it will be forced to happen and these big business owners who buy BMW's will be forced to spend that money into buying new trucks. oh boo-hoo, they won't have the brand new 2009 BMW for christmas. i'm sure they can live. yes, nuclear power is an alternative energy. but it is the most dangerous alternative energy that most environmentalists argue aganist because it can cause more damage than any other energy power.
healthcare: do you know how many people in this country are living without healthcare? get sick, get the flu and don't go to the doctor in fear of their bill being trendmously high because of the doctor that treats them? doctors are doctors to uphold a moral duty and not to charge ridciolous amounts of money to check your blood pressure. it is outrageous that many people go every year without flu shots, a virus that can go deadly if not treated and managed, because the cost is just simply astronmical. if the disgusting healthcare system we have now is regulated by the government, we can insure the health of every single american in this country. we can insure that those who are sick can afford to go to the doctor and be treated instead of using up sick days and missing out on money. heck, if the government is already immersed in the stock market, let;s go right ahead and immerse them in the healthcare system to benefit not the rich guys on wall street minority, but the poor, sick majority of this country.
regarding the energy policy act of 2005: i already knew the details of this act due to envirothon, and love that obama supported it. yes, the nuclear provisions in this act are a bit outrageous but this is why it is a compromise. as for why mccain didn't vote for it, its probably because there wasn't a large enough tax reduction for fossil fuel production ($2.8 billion dollars) VS. renewable electricity production ($2.7 billion dollars.) heck, if i were mccain i wouldn't want alternative energies to have that big of a tax reduction cause it would make the masses WANT to invest in these solar and wind energies and cause my stocks in oil to fall. boohoo.
these are dreams janard. dreams do come true, as martin luther king's dream has come partially true, rachel carson's dream has come true and countless other dreams as well. what it takes is to have a strong, hopeful and encouraging leader who will listen to the masses and not his cronies, nor his second in command hockey mom. dreams develop into actions which develop into legacy's.
I just want to add that the two-party system is a complete joke. The foundation of the Republican Party was small federal government, and that should be the focus of the party today. Instead, we have to deal with the sad fact that if a candidate has moderate social views, they will not be elected. If a candidate wants to phase our troops out in Iraq, they won't be elected. If a candidate is pro-choice, they will absolutely not be elected. No chance. Is that the way to preserve a democratic republic? Nope!
Not only that, it's completely too hard to even get ON the ballot if you represent a third party. Ralph Nader, a presidential election staple for some years now, has not been able to get on the ballot in every state because he hasn't raised enough money. Really, money is that much of an an issue? Why?
Bipartisanship has created a rift in the United States so deep that no candidate will ever be able to bridge it. Not only that, it also makes all this talk about the parties "working together" to improve the state of the country nearly impossible.
Why are we not heeding George Washington's warnings?
You might have also forgotten the money given to oil companies for offshore drilling in the gulf of mexico. I find it quiet funny that you say its a doctors moral duty to tend to people. The main reason why people become doctors in the United States is because of the money it offers. That might be different else where but we live in a capitialist society where money controls everything. Next time you go to your doctors don't pay them...say its their moral duty to serve you and see the response you get. It would be moral if people would stop making fun of Mr McCain's disabilities of not being able to raise his arms fully to wave at people because of the injuries that he sustained during the Vietnam war. I would also like if people looked at Barack's track record vs Mr McCain's track record and see which one looks more impressive... Former war hero(McCain)>Former drug addict(Barack)
i find it hilarious that you don't believe it is a doctor's moral duty is to tend to people. obviously, most people go pre-med to make tons of money, but most of those people also have a moral ethic in them to help people for the greater good. i know many pre-med students at Colombia, John Hopkins,etc. that WANT to help people. I also never said nor implied "let's not pay those doctors." universal healthcare is important to the american people, especially those who are poor. today i actually went to the doctor and he told me i couldn't have the best medicine because my insurance wouldn't cover it. is that morally right? that those who cannot make a certain amount of money have to get a cheaper brand perhaps not even the right treatment because greedy insurance companies won't pay for it? or because state insurance companies cannot afford it? no it is not fair nor is it morally right.
i don't care about mccain and his arms, but ok. as for past histories, as a woman, i do not appreciate mccain calling his wife a dirty trollop nor a cunt. and many people have bad beginnings. most people do drugs, drink, etc. but it does not mean that they are the worst people in the world nor that they will grow up and change. i rather have a leader that admits his faults and show that he has change, rather than "wave the bloody shirt" and use that as a way to get voters.
anna-marie you said u know pre-med STUDENTS You should go ask an actual doctor who works in a actual hospital and theyll actually admit that they have to back down people in dire need of help because they don't have the money or health insurance. Also you named all these great schools but i know someone who goes to Harvard Med and only a small percent of them become doctors and when do become doctors they drop there moral standards because EVERYONE needs money you know. Also you said that your doctor told you to get the cheaper stuff but honestly if you dont have the money make the money cause thats what america is about. The poor will always stay poor unless they do something about it like go to school.
Exactly Gene...I don't know what world you live in that money doesn't matter but I know in the world I live in money means everything. If the government institutes federal health insurance they are going to give way less money to doctors than regular health insurance companies meaning that less people would go through 10 years of college than they do now...and your opinion on how you rather vote for a former drug addict instead of a war hero makes me question your logic
Anyone would admire someone who has fallen down and gotten to the same spot as someone who has always been on top. THAT'S a true hero. And in terms of the economy and the salaries we might not have to pay so much for the same amount ocoverage if we don't spend 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war. That budget will defnitely help pay for jobs. All that war is doing is discouraging more americans.
Oh and I would like to respond to janard about the healthcare. It mite be a bit communist to have federal healthcare but certainly not monopolizing. Barack never said one was obligated to ue the federal healthcare. In fact he stated that one may keep their health care. The healthcare system is merely for those who need healthcare. Giving $5,000 to families that might use it for some other necessities isn't responsible. Especially giving that money to private companies that have stocks in danger due to the UNREGULATED economy the republicans so publicly support. Also, you too speak with your dreams or your perspective and so will I. You probably never went without healthcare because your parents can support it but my mother (middle class single mother of 2 in college with a child in college) could not afford health care because supposably she could afford it. People like that would really like some tax breaks and in fact might use those $5,000 to pay for her child's education which you can't blame her for. You think its a good idea because you never went without health insurance but I did. And it would be nice if my mother didn't have to pay $280 a month per child and that's no dream... I'm talkin REALITY.
Judith u said that u didn't go without health care and so did i but Obama's plan to get EVERYONE health care is toooo radical and stupid cause why do my parents have to pay insurance for all the workers. They should get it themselves because my mom and dad themselves don't have insurance. Also i don't really admire a person who hit rock bottom cause of a freakin drug. That means he has no mental control of what he does and that makes me think how will he run the country when he couldnt even control himself.
why is it radical to have people healthy in a developed country? it is just logical! if you tell me this is a developing nation then i might see your point but this is a country that claims to work FOR THE PEOPLE. the constitution says WE THE PEOPLE. and also i didnt say everyone agreed with that but most people agree with the idea. If people didnt believe in the recovery of others there would be no rehabilitation centers, no parole officers, no self help books and none of the resources that the united states offers for our people. if anything that is part of the american dream. in the american dream it states that you can reinvent yourself and become someone even if you came from nothing. if you dont believe that then thats your problem but the millions of immigrants and middle classmen would disagree.
It is too radical at the moment because the US isn't at a point in time that it could spend money in pointless things. Right now we need to focus more on the economy because if the economy drops where screwed. Also the recovery centers where made to help people but than again its there to make tons and tons of money so it really isn't made because of moral standards but more of a business. Also the US says that u reinvent yourself but where talking about our PRESIDENT not a average joe walking down a street. In the end i have to say Obama doesn't have the credibility to run a country as great as America because all of his idea's bring up the question "can he really do all that?"
your tangent point on how a small percentage of students in Harvard Med. only become doctors is for a DIFFERENT reason not even related to the election. Your freshman year of pre-med, you take chemistry in a class of 200. That class as long as with many others, is made to weed out students and make them drop the pre-med program. so that point was a complete digression from the main point.
and "honestly if you dont have the money make the money cause thats what america is about. The poor will always stay poor unless they do something about it like go to school." my father and mother used to work in the 2nd top spanish newspaper in this country. my father was editor in chief and made about 70,000 a year. but then, the company who owned the newspaper decided "i feel like selling and screwing all my workers." there were many offers to buy the newspaper but this man, this big business leader declined it all and shut down the newspaper. my mother and father, as well as my family were left without money, insurance, etc. my mom and dad were forced to not even considering retiring, could not get jobs due to their age, and now run their own small newspaper. but as for insurance, we had to get state insurance. state insurance is great because at least i can go to the doctor, but i do get declined certain right treatments because the state cannot afford it nor can it afford for countless other people in my financial situation. so for saying, "the poor will stay poor unless they go to school" means nothing to me. the poor sometimes cannot get out of their situations no matter how hard they work, how good of a worker they are, etc. my father and mother both attended top colleges in peru, but regardless, we are left squandering in poverty. so thank you, for essentially saying its my parents fault we are poor. you should get on mccain's advertising campaign.
oh and the economy is already screwed. it will take a democrat and tax hikes, to restore this economy, as well as someone that is willing to stand up in the face of the rich.
"oh and the economy is already screwed. it will take a democrat and tax hikes, to restore this economy, as well as someone that is willing to stand up in the face of the rich." I dare you to go to wall street and say that to a CEO or a chairmen. I am sorry to hear that about your parents but it applies to everyone and its the reason why your parents brought you here instead of peru because in America ANYONE can get a top tier education if they put dedication into it. Also a democrat and tax hikes and facing the rich isn't going to help anyone its going to drag down the economy of the US and soon enough the world. Democrats did have someone who could have faced the problem which was Hilarry but Obama doesn't have experience helping a nation at this current situation. Even Mccain I believe doesn't have that great of a plan but definitly better than Obama's becuase Obama wants CEO's and Chairmen to give health insurance to ALL there employee's.
Last but no least the economy isn't "screwed" because if it was we wouldn't even be able to live the lives we live right now. Also you look at the economy as if its a joke and you shouldn't because ECONOMY > HEALTH INSURANCE. I'd rather have money than have none with health insurance but run into debt trying to pay health insurance.
The economy is most definitely screwed or else banks wouldn't be getting sold and CEO's wouldn't be penniless the reason we are not yet effected as we once were during the depression is because the money we have in banks are REGULATED (thanks to the democrats). Also you speak of the resources to rehabilitate but many of those are covered by health insurance! And if we don't have health insurance our people will not be fit to work or become a functioning part of society. In terms of Obama's presidency vs Hillary I couldn't agree more. Like I said before I do not like either but its a matter of who has a better plan. Obama's staff and helpers are the same as Bill Clinton's staff (the people that got us out of the recession of George W. Bush Sr.-a republican).
so what does your father losing his job have to do with this? McCain is the person that is targeting the economy...he even took time out his campaign to make sure the bail out was passed...one of the most important things that he suggested was that bank accounts to be insured up to 250000 which i dont know how important it is to you but to some it could mean losing their life savings. And guess who hopped on the bandwagon and suggested it also...Barack...i also love how you think the federal healthcare is going to be any different than the state insurance u have now. Have you heard any details about it. You will probably end up having the same generic medicine and mediocre health services you have. As about the economy...it will be rebounding soon since most of the bad loans are being taken care of...regardless of who becomes president
"As about the economy...it will be rebounding soon since most of the bad loans are being taken care of...regardless of who becomes president"
while I agree with most of the things you said, I have to say... a lot of the talk suggests that we haven't seen the worst yet. if anything, we've missed most of our chances to do something, and our choice for presidency right now is not for someone who can "change" the current situation but someone who can weather the storm the most out of the two candidates. we need someone who can rebuild the trust between the so-called "rich" and the entire financial market, or else our economy (which, by the way, is propped up by our markets) will go down the drain, not someone who can "stand up to the rich". Focus on tax hikes when we can profit the most from them (that is, when our economy is doing the best), not when we desperately need more liquidity in the markets.
janard, if you read the comment that gene said about "poor will stay poor" you would have understood my whole point of my dad losing his job, but ok.
thank you judith ! i was also an avid supporter of hillary clinton, and wholeheartedly agree with what she said. George Bush Sr. = recession = bad economy. Bill Clinton= high rates of employment, country thriving and well. George W. Bush = bad economy the U.S. has seen in decades. obama's plans and staff, are most of bill clinton's old advisers. wouldn't it make a bit of logical sense to put the two and two together and realize that if bill clinton got the economy bouncing again, which his advisers helped on, obama can too? your right, the economy is isn't a joke, but it literally is screwed.
the socalled rich? sorry, but people who make well above the $100,000 + mark are labeled as rich because they are. the government bailed out the rich, because of their greedyness. go america! go republican party! woo! go compromises!
oh the healthcare plan? why yes i have heard the details of it. whats great about it is that EVERYONE gets the SAME EQUAL TREATMENT, which is what america is about. goes to show how the 14th amendment has yet to lived up to its full potential.
Janard. mccain health care plan in just throwing people espeacialy poor people to the same insurance companies that oppresses them. health insurance is a right. To mccain it is privaged. oh and one more thing; change has nothing to do with pop culture it has more to do with insuring people have a descent chance at life and break down the barrier that stop us from achieving a more perfect union. this one goes out to janard and mccain " it's the economy, stupid. The markets will not cure all. As we have seen for the last eight years. obama's a drug addicts and so is mccain's wife. she must be a comunity organizers like he is. you know their all drug addicts. let's get it.
"the government bailed out the rich, because of their greedyness." The government bailed out the "rich" because they are the ones investing and taking that extra risk in trusting the market. If "rich" people stop investing and start selling or "short selling" (i think its called that) than the economy goes down and something as bad or maybe worse than the great depression might occur. The reason is that if the people (mainly rich) stop investing in the market; the market goes down, than developed nations will stop sending aid to developing nations. Aid as in food and support towards there economy like China. The total shut down of support will cause war over food and the aid that they once abundantly had in developing nations while countries like America will have a increase in the homeless. SO stop blaming the rich for all the bad things that everyone is going through because they are the reason why we have so much that we can easily look upon. Also if it wasn't for the FDIC in insuring money in the bank we would have been through the great depression already because people are spending more than what they have "credit crisis". So take it as granted that we have people still taking risk and investing.
the government did. these rich businessmen took advantage of people who did not have the money nor credit to pay back for their houses, which is the essential root of the problem of this economic crisis. is it fair that these rich businessmen who wanted to become more rich toook advantage of the middle class? no it is not. but the government pardoned this action by bailing out a severe amount of money to wall street.
Apparently, race and age affect the presidential election. It has come to my attention that some eligible voters won't vote because they disagree with having a black president and doubt McCain's ability to last the next four years.
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Hmm Obama talked about the normal families unlike McCain who talked about people in general that work. Focus on the middle class please!
All those attacks on McCain make me feel sympathetic for him but...go Obama! Back to watching I go.
McCain > Obama, always.
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and btw
Patrick > Anna P.
Lies, lies lies. Not knowing how to post a video comment makes you automatically fail.
But I did like when Obama used the JFK quote. I see you instilling faith in Americans, I see you.
I love the way McCain is skipping around the regulation topic and went straight to oil. Spoken like a true republican it's all about oil. Yes becoming free of foreign oil is important but destroying Alaska and and offshore drilling is not the answer. People do not like Obama because he is realistic. Its true everything wont happen all at once. It is all going to take time. I think it's important for all of us to understand that they are human not magicians.
For either of them to say differently would be a lie.
I want obama to win because i wanna see if one of these little revolutionists can make change so i want to give him a shot
and he probably will win because there are so many pissed of liber and new republicans-turned liberal that are fed up with bush
People do not like Obama because he dreams up ideas that are impossible to achieve and will only dig our country into a bigger hole than we're in now.
every person that comes around dreaming gets shut down theve neve gotten a chance, when they did they were assinated, like JFK.
This country doesn't need dreams it needs action.
i'm sure the billionaries will be fine with a little tax hike. Who are we kidding we need the money and those with money can live without their golden toilet seats so that we can go to college and our siblings and children have the opportunities to go to public school. We need that money for health insurance because when illness comes the bills will stack up.
yea we do need action but i think action comes from dreams
McCain wants to give the 300 billion tax cuts and give the Wall-Street workers even more money. Obama is pro middle class. McCain also wants to give 200 billion of the tax cuts to oil companies as well. What was the point of all this especially when hes just giving back to those sorts of companies. McCain also uses cronyism to attack Obama and his "cronies."
Action comes from logical ideas not dreams. I love you Kate!
So far I think Obama's views on the economy are more viable then John McCain's.....Obama seems pretty serious about helping the middle class or the "ordinary families" in buying out the bad mortgages of homes which is significantly the biggest problem with america today. He also wants to lower taxes on 95% of the working class and increasing cuts while lowereing spending which in his view would level the national budget defecit. McCain on the other hand is more concerned on pointing out the "over head projector" Obama proposed for Illnois and he simply is focused on fingerpointing everything Obama voted for which i think wont convince thes uncommitted voters of Ohio. The economy is a major priority for Obama as well as it for McCain and obama has the better end.....he just simply wants America to work together with him and to make "sacrifices"....and just to point out...McCain again is accusing Obama of favoring tax cuts when Obama just said thats the exact opposite of what he is going to do....
McCain presents his proposals with such optimism that it seems quite implausible. "It's not that difficult to fix social security" - he makes everything seem easy to fix to appeal to the audience (well duh - he wants people to vote for him). Obama, on the other hand, seems to know what he's doing, especially since he often starts his planned procedures with "Step one...Step two..." etc.
Tehehe McCain voted 23 times against alternative sources.
I love it how they both attack each other.
McCain votes TWENTY THREE TIMES against alternative fuels i mean cmon
Exactly. McCain is trying to use nuclear energy and this will kill the earth.
the pilgrims came to this country they dreamed that they could build a free nation were they could be happy and do the things they wanted. it was not logical to get on a boat and sail an ocean hardly traveled. It was not logical to leave a place of comfort for a dream but that worked out didn't it. This country was built on dreams. This country was built on taking chances. The revolution is another example of that England was a super power with a powerful organized army logically it would have been smart for the colonist to shut up and take it because how could they beat an army with history and strength. we did that too. it was a dream that became a reality because enough people believed in it so start believing because if you don't your only making it harder for this country to get out of the ditch we are in.
that was for anna I love you but damn are our politics different....
YO forget about saving the earth its fine its better than it was in the 1970s thats the least of our problems. The Whole Go green crap is propaganda
Theres a problem with off-shore drilling and McCain says that it is neccessary to cut oil prices in America because of more supply but what happens when all the oil is drilled off? we used 25% of earth's oil. We need to stop and find alternatives that Obama mentioned like solar, wind and etc.
here we go on the tax credit...fasten your seat belts
i don't think it's propaganda the difference between the 1970s and now is that everything is catching up with us. now the effects are actually showing. I agree that there are things going on that need to be taken care of NOW! and one of them is HEALTH INSURANCE!!!!!!!
why is McCain making Obama seem like the boogy monster. let Obama find me if I had money like that I would have no problem paying those taxes
5000 tax credit when the average health cost for a family is roughly $12,000....
Wow, McCain is still talking about the $5000 and still doesnt mention that it's going to be taken away right after anyways like what Obama said.
although i am not a fan of either i go for obama. mccain doesnt address the middle class. instead he wants to freeze the market which will not solve the economic problem. Also, mccain just wants to give you $5,000 n buy private insurance which is in the market. in the state of our economy if u buy ur insurance check the next day and see if the market is still covering you. chances are... THEY R NOT!
what fine?????
McCain said health issurance to every us citizen. what about the immigrant, or permanent resident in America?
How can people recognize responsibility on health care when not everyone can afford it? It should definitely be a right, not a responsibility.
yea...go judith!!
Obama is kicking ass right now with this insurance topic no doubt!!!! it seems our republican blogger has gone into hiding
McCain Voted "AGAINST" childrens health care....i mean i might be wrong but...so far obama is just having the upper hand on this...hes just settled into this debate
kate what are you talking about the pollutions was 10 times worse in the 1970s, that was the breaking point, but now its the war on energy, and everyones worrying moe about the enviroment. its stabilized, and i do agree that the environment is the least ofour problems.
maybe mccain didnt watch the documentary sicko. but i mite give him an introduction to it because his idea is just rediculous. if giving $ to people actually solved the problems why dont the countries lk england fance n canada do it? because they have a form of universal healthcare... hmmm now i wonder why that works! because its government regulated!!!!!
yea like the ratio of dems to repubs rite now is like what 8:1
i told you everyone was fed of with the republican ideal in general
Who is this knowledgable and judgemental person that McCain is talking about? Does this person even exist now?
obama is pushing for govt regulation that draws paralells to that of communist russia
you hear that... NOTHING 2 DO WITH 9/11!!!! why must we invade a nation that a. do not want anything to do with us b. helping a country and spending about 700billion dollars when these ppl have 79 billion $ surplus!
That is right, Obama! Stop the Iraq War fund
mccain is justifying America's brown-nosing in the world. he believes that by keeping the troops in Iraq, the troops would gain honor and pride among the ranks. How can you say that when they are in a country that has nothing to do with what happened on 9/11?
how will recent econominc distress affect us ability to be a peacemaker? I agree on how Obama sees that the war in Iraq is pointless but nonetheless he doesnt forget about the troops and their risking of lives.....but $700 billion is alot of money....and with that kind of money the U.S would of probably never dug the hole its in today
Haha Kate no, I just don't need to be attacked like ~you know who~
obama brings up a good point. Was it because we had to defend the "world's freedom" and outs, or was it because we felt morally obliged to do so?
patrick i am saying that now is worse than the 1970s because we have to deal with the effects of then and what has happened in the last 38 years. that may have been the point in time when the pollution was the highest but there sure wasn't the global issues we have now.
THANK YOU!!!! why are we helping a country that doesnt want us versus helping places like Darfur! it makes no sense. if al kaida was in iraq dont you think we would have found them after 7 years! this is a country! not a continent! it doesnt take that long! logic is necessary!
so mccain wants the war to continue just so we can win and have honor as well as many dead bodies on our hands. thats not honorable
I thought the issue about health insurance was interesting. I liked how Obama said he would find those who couldn't afford health insurance and give it to them. That way no one would be left out and everyone would have the coverage they need. McCain's argument against Obama I thought was stupid. Giving everyone $5,000 tax refund isn't the answer. Some who don't have health insurance might use that money for something else. And at the end, they still wouldn't have health insurance because they used the money on other important things like food, pay for rent, etc. Giving an opportunity is good, but some make the wrong decisions from those opportunities.
I swear, McCain wants honor from trying to win the war where we should just withdraw. It doesnt make sense, our troops are there retartedly. Theres no honor when there are so many people there. Lives are being risked so withdrawing right away.
5 yrs*
i agree with judith
McCain says will bring our troops in honor and victory....i mean correct me if im wrong but at the rate were going i dont think we will win any time soon this war was supposed to be a one month thing and look at today no one can put a end to it
why do we help other countries anyway when there jsut gonna pop off and badmouth us
Obama wishes to conduct diplomacy with countries that nato encourages to ignore
McCain just doesn't understand. By keeping the troops there, we already ARE making the situation worse. Plus, the spending in Iraq will reach 1 trillion, which is 1/10th out national debt.
note the way obama says pakistan
patrick, before we can help other country, we need to help our economic burdens first
yea williams....
yea ping dong...nice 1
Ultimately, both candidates strongly believe America is a great country. I personally think this belief does actually trace back to the colonial times, because, like Kate said, the Europeans relied on their dreams and hopes to live. But the Europeans extremely affected America that remnants of European culture still linger in our society today - specifically the belief of superiority. But such feeling of superiority over other nations have made America commit distasteful actions (like invading other countries) and basically making itself the bully of the world.
Obama knows what he's saying. What we're doing now with Pakistan is arguably what European countries did with Hitler before World War II. We're just giving money while they're making treaties with others.
Ping thats what i said i dont think we should help or associate with anyonein teh firstplace. Isolationism would prevent problems
there is no honor in a war that the american people do no support. it is called pride and mccain is full of it. mccain likes to take things out of context. obama did not say he was going to announce attacking pakistan. he said he was going to sit with them... thats the smartest thing to do. keep your allies close but keep your enemies closer
you couldnt have said it any better judith
I think they should also talk about the issue with North Korea because US sanctions is really affecting the people there.
patrick i think isolation is a little extreme and virtually impossible being that we are in NATO. aside from that, a lot of the NATO allies like Spain have contributed to the war in iraq. they will only badmouth more if we do not repay the favor
our national debt over the last 8 yrs has more than doubled....the war in afghanistan is like invisble no one talks about it any more while the U.S. spends more money in 3 weeks of combat missions of Iraq than they did for the whole afghanistan war....obama is morally making sense...everything will CHANGE when hes president
yes judith...i agree
i agree with mendim
o wow..McCain knows how to capture binladen...who believes that
I agree with Judith and that we must repay our respects to certain countries from NATO that helped us with the war. WIthout them, situations in America would be worse.
"I'll get him - I'll get Osama Bin Laden" - we haven't "got" him and it has been 7 years...
true mendim, but if he wishes to stay in office, he can't always obligate to make decisions solely based on his morals...he might have to make some decisions thathe doesn't feel right doing, but it will benefit the country
basically, he should be more practical rather than moral?
1) make iraqi govt more responsible
2) withdraw troops
obama is laying out his plans...thats what every one to see.....while mccain just said he wants to double the size of u.s soldiers in afghanistan
i was speaking hpyothetically aboust the isolationism, i just dont think we should fund other places
McCain also doesn't want to admit his error about a "quick job" in Iraq. It has been 5 years, almost 6, and McCain is still supporting the war?
i meant "thats what every one wants to hear"*
mccain is just contradicting himself. in the last debate he said he wouldnt even sit with the emperor of spain. however now he wants to say we should work closely with pakistan. aside from all that, he completely forgot what they initial lie for entering iraq was; the weapons of mass destruction. if that was true why didnt we go to North Korea... because they are not stupid enough. this is definitely not about any of that. they need to get their reasons in order
Exactly, we have to move out. Who knows, this war might even turn out as long as the vietnam war and last for a total of 9 years with the views of McCain. He only cares about respect.
obama speaks of GUIDING not CONTROLLING he also spoke of using non combat groups to GUIDE. those are effective ways. we have to gain trust if we want to strengthen allies
"we have to be much more strategic...that will strengthen us and weaken them"-obama, great wordss
tell 'em obama!!! alternate sources of energy will help reduce tension with russia indirectly
mccain is just like the old republicans. waving the bloody shirt and its just getting old. again with the nuclear weapons. he wants to join with allies to put pressure but he doesnt want to sit with the emperor of spain... good job mccain
"tough sanctions"....he just wants another reason to start more wars....negoitiating is the primary way to go about something rather than going staright into war
"tough sanctions"....he just wants another reason to start more wars....negoitiating is the primary way to go about something rather than going staright into war
I agree with judith. obama also brings up a good point when he says that america has been reactive, which has made us safe. And that's a problem with America, that the country doesn't take action. Also, McCain is using the excuse that we're a big bad nation who shouldn't be messed with. Umm, didn't that sound familiar to the Iraq War, and looked what happened
direct talks to the enemy....obama wants to lay everything on the table......oo ohhh the last question...tune in every1
good point mendim! also obama's point on sitting with the enemies make a lot of good points. if we do not get comfortable with our enemies the probability of nuclear weapons will increase
definitely the american dream is not the same and its because of money and his economic policy really seems to improve it all because the economy all depends on the middle class. mccain only wants to talk about war... the war that the UN was completely against... the war that no one wants and is costing us money. we need that money or our generation will greatly suffer as obama said. (and pandolfino said WE were going to destroy the economy lol)
Good talk Obama, how to pass the American Dream to the next generation is a mojor issues and children even us need it if we want to thrive in this country
i think no one on earth would of answered that last question like obama just did
the verdict on tonights debate: obama is the winner
tom is trying to be funny
Not only does Obama have a iron fist on this matter, he basically leaves McCain in the dust. Obama wants to negotiate, which should always have been done by the US, first instead of fighting. McCain, in general, just wasn't as strong on matters than Obama tonight. If he wishes to become president, McCain better make some rational opinions. In a way, McCain is "waving the bloody shirt" since he's using his military service as a qualification for presidency.
I agree with william, McCain continously throughout the debate talk about an unknown person that wields wisdom and judgement while not refering to who this person or the existence. He need to put more facts into his debate
McCain surely did a number on the offense against Obama's argument in the American economy. I don't think he should do that time from time for most questions.
the 100th comment....obama i think is the better candidate for America and that is showing in the polls....the issue of health care and the economy are the major problems that we are facing....that is what the american people want to hear and from this debate obama emerged as a winner
obama has the edge so far, since his solutions and responses were pretty strong. Obama looks like he will hit those problems head on, and even though he may still be green, he has reason and morals, a good mesh which should do him good in office.
Wow. I am BEYOND impressed by all of your responses. This is so exciting! All of your comments sophisticated, perceptive and well argued. Keep them coming post debate and we will discuss in class tomorrow. I think you should all be paid as political pundits to comment on the next debate.
I feel that throughout the beggining, John McCain kept discussing taxes because it was one of the only ties he had to the middle class in which he discussed broadly. He wants to cut taxes, but with what budget? The United States is stuck in the wrath of the war and McCain believes we should remain in Iraq to "help promote democracy", but then what makes him think he has the ability to go throught with a tax cut of approximately 3 million dollars? McCain didn't finish off with a strong lead because he continued to attack the idea's of Barack Obama. At one point he accused Obama of wanting to attack Pakistan. But i think most importantly, we should be focused on the whole education and economic issues because if the economy doesn't progress, then we are basically screwed for coming up with money for student loans. Barack Obama adressed the issue of education and made it evident that a change in the economy must be made for future college students. McCain did not mention education AT ALL which is significant to our future. Experience has nothing to do with the capability of changing the nation because if we allow another Bush replica to take control of our country we will never see a bright future , but one filled with war, environmental issues, and economical depressions. Oh by the way, did anyone pay attention to the fact that McCain said its ok to drill oil because it will make oil cheaper? He obviously doesn't care about the environment !
I definitely agree with William’s point on how McCain likes “waving the bloody shirt” as a way to appeal to the people. And I think McCain also knows that he is exhausting that tactic and it’s clearly obvious in the way he attacked Obama’s past tonight in the debate. I also found a couple of McCain’s proposal to be quite ironic. First, Obama made a really good point about McCain’s 5,000 tax credit plan and how McCain was giving credit with one hand and taking back with the other – that, right off the bat, sounds quite sneaky to me. Second, it’s clear that McCain would so prefer oil over other alternative energy sources despite what he says – look at how many times he voted against alternative energies in the past: TWENTY THREE TIMES. That must tell you something right there.
i meant 300 billion tax cuts
Now I dont even know where to begin with everything that happened in that debate, and even with this debate! But the way the candidates presented themselves I feel has a standpoint of how they will lead our country. McCain was very disrespectful towards Obama, yes they are competing but they are also adults, he should not have wasted the minutes badmouthing Obama and used it to clearly state a plan.
I also feel McCain contradicts himself how can you want to spend money on Solar, Wind, Nuclear Energy but then in your next response talk about drilling, Does he want to help our world or ruin it?
I really like that Obama touched upon helping the middle class, I really feel like that will help our economy and country as a whole. Both of their ideas were filled with "wishful thinking", but it will not happen overnight. I do believe that either president that enterse office is going to have a difficult time fixing things first before they start any one of their "new" plans.
I smiled when McCain mentioned "Croynism" just because it was a word we just learned, hopefully our kids wont have to defend the presidents of today, and find information to make them have a bad reputation!
McCain expressed his thoughts in a more general aspect while Obama was more specific.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/check-point-the-second-presidential-debate/?hp
Check out this link. It's from The New York Times blog where the reporters fact check the points that McCain and Obama made tonight.
Anything stand out in particular to you?
NOOOOOOOOO!
i missed the debate tonight cause of stupid work, but yes, CSPAN! :]
i was reading the early on comments and i loved what kate said: action comes from dreams. it does. martin luther king as we all know, had a dream and it has partially come true.
(fyi, mccain voted aganist having martin luther king day.....HMMMM. great role model to have in our next presidency. )
i will read the ny times point by point and then comment! can't wait! I LOVE POLITICS.... :D
yes yes mendim!! a recent poll showed obama carrying 51% of the voters polled!!!! he also has a large number of electoral votes in his hand and it continues to increase every day!
i was wondering where you were annmarie :)
yea they mentioned something briefly at the intro to the debate about how Obama has enough electoral votes to win, we"ll see!
Well im not voting for either side of the story but YEAH I FINALLY GOT MY LAPTOP BACK
now i shall post my opinion
everyone says that obama's plan to help the economy is the way but obama has NOTHING to back it up cause first of all Obama's plan is just a 50% credit but what is that really going to do to small business. Small businesses are closing the doors everyday nowadays and Obama's plan to help the so called working class will ruin more businesses and ruin economy more. I have to say in a economic stand point Mcain will help more small businesses and help them grow because of the 500k. Also everyone is hating on the BIG businesses but EVERYONE FORGOT THAT BIG BUSINESSES ARE THE REASON WHY OUR LIVES IN THE US ARE THIS CHEAP. If they have harder taxes what wont make them raise prices and before you know it everything will be more expansive and the cost of living will raise while our taxes are "lowered" but the cost of living rising. So If you really want to say that obama's plan of taxing Big businesses will help it really wont.
Now to critize Mccains plans
Mcain has a solid plan to help small businesses and large but his plan to offer health care are horrible because he doesn't have a concrete plan to get everyone the care they need but Obama specifically pointed out how he will provide the health care and used the example of his mother. (that was kinda sad) but yea, when Mccain was asked about the war on iraq he was too broad because how is he so sure that he can get the support of Iraq, Afgan, etc. Because from what i see, we actually kinda tried that but failed. Mccain also kept critizing Obama when he should have kept the point straight because he kept switching topics and it was hard to understand where he was taking it.
how do we fix this uhh global warming power?
the answer is of course NUCLEAR POWER! yes, mccain how smart. let's go ahead and build these potential chernoybl reactors and heck, why not, let's even put them around low income areas, just as the one in west point is. i mean, so what if the reactor can have a "little" explosion as it did in PA and emit clouds of noxious gases which the winds blow it towards towns and cities? yes, mccain. let's build nuclear power plants! forget alternative energies!
oh and yes DRILL BABY DRILL. offshore drilling will reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but we put at risk our waters, our wildlife, and habitats. if oil spills happen at these areas, the economic result is trendmous. fish will die, which will affect fishing industries, mainly of which, these offshore drilling areas are dependent on.
as for the comment that gsl said, if we had more small businesses, we, the consumer can have more of a variety to chose from areas, essentially making those prices lower to the consumer. compare a coffee made from a small business to starbucks - yes the coffee may have some fancy name, but if the coffee is made with the same care, it will still taste the same and be cheaper. its like shopping and savings - having a more varied array of places to choose from makes the prices cheaper.
i say let's tax those who make huge amounts of money in their big business. let them stop spending their money on a house in the hamptons and give back to the federal government.
lawl lyssie! yes. i love debating ! :]
I love Obama, like really. McCain looks like an old penguin ready to collapse, then YAY Palin will have to be president -.- .
McCain is too disrespectful to Obama, always with a cocky attitude. Although he does have more experience, it's time for a different change in politics. There's too much to risk right now with the economic crisis & war at risk. Both problems come hand in hand which only makes it more difficult.
Obama's need to support and guide the middle class as well as tax cuts and regulation is most important. Support homeowners, health care, and small businesses should be dealt with after our economy lands on its feet. Yeah, McCain has all these so-called strategies for families and giving back to them, but where is the money coming from? We put our country more in debt w| this stupid war, borrowing from otheer countries & losing respect as the U.S. It's pretty depressing how we stick our noses in places it shouldn't be, then the middle class pays for it. The irony of Japan's success and our economic crisis is funny. Obama morally makes sense & he ACTUALLY ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS, unlike McCain and his maverick buddy Palin. They're both idiots to an extreme.
Drilling & energy conservation is also a major issue. McCain believes in drilling, which is totally ridiculous. We attain 25% of the world's oil according to him, and yet wants to disturb the oil we have to preserve. I thought Palin was aware of environmental crisis' and alternative energies? RIIIIIIGHT. Obama made an important point; he states more jobs would help the middle class by applying more environmental issues in politics. Just as computers had when they first emerged, solar, wind, whichever energy would create severallllll jobs.
I agree w| kate, people don't like Obama because he IS realistic. he addresses the questions and always finds himself correcting McCain. All that comes out of McCain's mouth are cliche and obvious solutions about the American people and our economy. NO DUH .
OBAMA '08!
however, watching these debates with my dad made me realize. Not every candidate keeps their world to some extent. If that were the case, we wouldn't be experiencing such an era of corruption, mismanagement, and, on McCain's side, stupidity.
anyways, night night pple (:
p.s : Obama, McCain, always. i love you anna :D
Obama > McCain *
woops :D
on a side note, there are those ignorant few that say "it doesn't matter, we can't vote."
guess what. just because we can't vote doesn't mean we shouln't pay attention to your potential next leader, especially since we will be 18 within a year and this will be affecting our generation and lives.
OBiden 08!
p.s. we should totally have a discussion on the vp debate..... tee-hee ;]
i agreeeeee ^
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While watching the presidential debate I noticed that Obama focused more on the middle class while McCain focused the general people. Throughout the debate there were constant attacks against each other but I thought McCain was more aggressive towards Obama, however Obama did manage to defend himself. Also, I noticed that Obama answered the questions more effectively than McCain did. Obama’s plan on health insurance was, in my opinion, better because he would give health insurance to people who couldn’t afford it and give it to them. On the other hand, McCain proposed to give tax refund which is not beneficial because most families have certain priorities and they could spend that money given on those priorities, which may or may not be health care.
Pertaining to the international affairs issue, Obama states important facts about the US’s relationships with other nations, which I personally agree on. McCain was focused his idea on bringing the soldiers back with honor, but how long will that take if it were to happen that way? Overall, I think Obama answered the questions more effectively than McCain did, and Obama focuses more on the middle class people and what would benefit them.
[yuriko is shocked to see so many comments.. O.O]
in my opinion Obama gave better answers to his questions. He really hit the point in my opinion about health insurance, that he will look for those that cannot afford it and those that need it and do not have it. McCain on the other hand showed some good points by using his experience. Also McCain really tried to effectively attack Obama but could not manifest that anger inside him which could have brought him on top as the dominating figure in the debate. Obama was able to defend himself very well and overall was a more decent individual concentrating on the topic that is needed to be fixed, McCain gave an obvious range of what needs to be fixed but that is what anyone can say and assume and that is what everyone sees. Obama emphasizes the most crucial matters and expands on them while McCain just grasps the whole without elaborating on it. Therefore Obama showed himself as the individual that is more fit to be leading the race at the moment.
I found it interesting how obama and mccain were verbally attacking one another, while mccain seemed to be doing it more so than obama. In addition, I liked that he seemed to care for the environment by saying that he didn't want to hand the future generation, a damaged planet; while obama stumped him by reminding everyone that he had voted against alternative forms of energy all 23 times it was discussed. He sounds much more well versed in comparison to mccain and the fact that he criticized mccain's previous actions or plans but replaced them with the way in which he would change things to better the economy, the working class, and the people or areas of need is very effective. He went against the tax cut because of its ability to benefit big corporations and leave the working class in the clutter.
Mccain also wanted to start drilling offshore for oil to make prices cheaper whereas Obama wants our nation to escape from our dependence on oil in ten years which is clearly the better option. His ideas about healthcare are also particularly potent in terms of providing solutions because he suggested to mandate that businesses provide health coverage for their employees and increasing funds to allow all children to obtain health insurance which mccain has gone against twice before. So, after all the arguments had been made, i feel as though obama made the better speech and won the debate because he answered the questions directly with realistic solutions while mccain was making excuses for himself.
mccain is the past and obama is the present.mccain has a uphill battle in 8 of the battle ground states.this because he thinks he can win on the past.mccain should have won in 2000.now it is to bad and to sad mccain.obama08
ooo man im a little to late...but anyway im not going to get into a heated debate because most of Barak's FANBASE is purely a trend in pop culture. most of you guys dont know how this country is organized... You see big business pay taxes...more than small businesses because small business dont have resources to pay millions of dollars on taxes...so while many small business are struggling and shutting down their shops, guess what Barak you arent going to help us by taxing small business...how do you think this would affect you? I see everyone with sodas and bagels everyday meaning that raising taxes would raise the prices of your local goods but if you guys are ok with this then good job Barak supporters you are very loyal. Im also glad about the point of hybrids that someone pointed out during class. So you guys say that Barak is pro middle class yet he wants to use alternative fuels and things of that sort. Does your family have 20,000 thousand dollars that they could use right now to buy a toyota prius? if they dont then i guess supporting alternative energy is pointless if you arent going to use it. Also trucks that deliver goods arent going to be able to buy hybrid trucks at the moment because of the economic failures that Mr McCain is in the process of mending. Also isnt nuclear energy is an alternative energy so i guess there was alot of contradicting in class today which is something normal. Barak's plan on healthcare seems very familar...a bit communist wouldnt you agree? (before you reply to this please do some research). Like i said in my 4th period class i think Mr McCain's outlook on healthcare is the best and most realistic at the moment. Federal Healthcare would only have one price and would be sort of a monopoly on healthcare. Also the doctors would have to agree with this plan since they are the ones that provide our services. Also the competition that a plethora healthcare companies provide is great to the lowering of prices in their services since they would try to obtain the most consumers to their company meaning lowering their prices and providing more benefits.
please no flaming...and if you are going to reply to my comment please do so in a civilized manner and with logic...not with dreams
barack*
"word is bond" janard your actually makin me think twice about obama
i also would like you all to research the energy policy act of 2005 (since Barack supported it) and see if you agree with it...Mr McCain voted against it
I'm not actually in AP US but oh well (:
700,000 dollars more in taxes for people making 2.5 million dollars is ridiculous. That's almost a third of their yearly income. Am I in favor of tax CUTS for these people? Obviously not, and neither is McCain. Everyone is paying enough taxes to support every aspect of the government EXCEPT the ongoing war, and neither candidate could possibly think that we are going to exist with no military action, as they have both made clear. I wholeheartedly agree with Barack Obama's indication that we need to go into Pakistan because we are spoon feeding them billions of dollars and meanwhile they're gallivanting around being uncooperative and not caring.
Anyway, an increase in the capital gains tax is ridiculous as well. At a time when the stock market is taking drops of record proportions, why would we want to discourage investment in it? Why would we want to punish people who are already suffering enough by saying "I know you're losing money, and now when you go to sell we're going to take even more because it's more important to me that the middle class doesn't see me directly raising their taxes"-Barack Obama (okay, so maybe it's not a direct quote) Not only that, a raise in the capital gains tax will ultimately result in less money being made by it. Herbert Hoover raised tariffs and trading came close to a halt. Wouldn't a big tax increase on selling stock have the same effect on the stock market? Less people trading means less money coming in. It is blatantly clear that a capital gains tax is the
All I have to say is get your head out of the clouds, Obama. It really is a shame that the Democratic Party elected you to run. Pretending you're not going to slap tax increases around everywhere when you're proposing something as absurd as universal health care isn't even a clever charade. Maybe you can hide it from your disillusioned fanclub but I'm banking on the fact that most of America can see through your facade and will vote the right way come election day.
I'm also banking on the fact that McCain will NOT die during his term so we won't have that psychopath Palin for president. Honestly, "global warming is an act of God"? When did the Republican Party become associated with nut jobs like her so closely that she could be VP?
I can honestly say I did not proof read that at all so don't hold the grammar/spelling mistakes that might be in there against me (:
in response to janard's comment in a "civilized manner with logic", AS WELL as with education:
if the government were to invest more money into alternative energy, make car companies have a required 30 over MPG, and offer subsidies to car companies, as well as electric companies, the prices will in fact lower. the reason a solar panel can cost more than $20,000 is because there are a few small companies making them, whereas gas and oil is MUCH cheaper because the government has offered them subsidies and supports them even more now.
at the moment, there are a few subsidies offered to alternative power companies. and those few subsidies are either a) not known because the government doesn't promote it or b) not even nearly enough to help produce wind turbines/mills, solar panels and so on and so forth. for example, did you know that con ed. actually has a green power plan that you can switch to? it is called con ed. solutions and it elimantes sales tax on your bill, offers fixed AND variable rates. i'm guessing you didn't, unless it was taught in environmental seminar. why is it that this plan isn't known as widely throughout new york city residents? the answer is simple and has deep roots within the republican party: LACK OF EDUCATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF INFORMATION. of course mccain wants to drill baby drill, because it will not only benefit those "big businesses", but as well as his stocks and cronies. if the government were to offer more ways of distributing this information of green powers and its subsidies and incentives offered, more people would be willing to jump on it. otherwise, most people have a mindset of paying "$20,000" for a hybird car.
and if the government were to require those trucks that do travel large distances to upgrade to a 30+ MPG, OFFER SUBSIDIES to do so and require it by LAW, it will be forced to happen and these big business owners who buy BMW's will be forced to spend that money into buying new trucks. oh boo-hoo, they won't have the brand new 2009 BMW for christmas. i'm sure they can live.
yes, nuclear power is an alternative energy. but it is the most dangerous alternative energy that most environmentalists argue aganist because it can cause more damage than any other energy power.
healthcare:
do you know how many people in this country are living without healthcare? get sick, get the flu and don't go to the doctor in fear of their bill being trendmously high because of the doctor that treats them? doctors are doctors to uphold a moral duty and not to charge ridciolous amounts of money to check your blood pressure. it is outrageous that many people go every year without flu shots, a virus that can go deadly if not treated and managed, because the cost is just simply astronmical. if the disgusting healthcare system we have now is regulated by the government, we can insure the health of every single american in this country. we can insure that those who are sick can afford to go to the doctor and be treated instead of using up sick days and missing out on money. heck, if the government is already immersed in the stock market, let;s go right ahead and immerse them in the healthcare system to benefit not the rich guys on wall street minority, but the poor, sick majority of this country.
regarding the energy policy act of 2005:
i already knew the details of this act due to envirothon, and love that obama supported it. yes, the nuclear provisions in this act are a bit outrageous but this is why it is a compromise. as for why mccain didn't vote for it, its probably because there wasn't a large enough tax reduction for fossil fuel production ($2.8 billion dollars) VS. renewable electricity production ($2.7 billion dollars.) heck, if i were mccain i wouldn't want alternative energies to have that big of a tax reduction cause it would make the masses WANT to invest in these solar and wind energies and cause my stocks in oil to fall. boohoo.
these are dreams janard. dreams do come true, as martin luther king's dream has come partially true, rachel carson's dream has come true and countless other dreams as well. what it takes is to have a strong, hopeful and encouraging leader who will listen to the masses and not his cronies, nor his second in command hockey mom. dreams develop into actions which develop into legacy's.
I just want to add that the two-party system is a complete joke. The foundation of the Republican Party was small federal government, and that should be the focus of the party today. Instead, we have to deal with the sad fact that if a candidate has moderate social views, they will not be elected. If a candidate wants to phase our troops out in Iraq, they won't be elected. If a candidate is pro-choice, they will absolutely not be elected. No chance. Is that the way to preserve a democratic republic? Nope!
Not only that, it's completely too hard to even get ON the ballot if you represent a third party. Ralph Nader, a presidential election staple for some years now, has not been able to get on the ballot in every state because he hasn't raised enough money. Really, money is that much of an an issue? Why?
Bipartisanship has created a rift in the United States so deep that no candidate will ever be able to bridge it. Not only that, it also makes all this talk about the parties "working together" to improve the state of the country nearly impossible.
Why are we not heeding George Washington's warnings?
Sign, I'm frustrated.
You might have also forgotten the money given to oil companies for offshore drilling in the gulf of mexico. I find it quiet funny that you say its a doctors moral duty to tend to people. The main reason why people become doctors in the United States is because of the money it offers. That might be different else where but we live in a capitialist society where money controls everything. Next time you go to your doctors don't pay them...say its their moral duty to serve you and see the response you get. It would be moral if people would stop making fun of Mr McCain's disabilities of not being able to raise his arms fully to wave at people because of the injuries that he sustained during the Vietnam war. I would also like if people looked at Barack's track record vs Mr McCain's track record and see which one looks more impressive...
Former war hero(McCain)>Former drug addict(Barack)
i find it hilarious that you don't believe it is a doctor's moral duty is to tend to people. obviously, most people go pre-med to make tons of money, but most of those people also have a moral ethic in them to help people for the greater good. i know many pre-med students at Colombia, John Hopkins,etc. that WANT to help people. I also never said nor implied "let's not pay those doctors." universal healthcare is important to the american people, especially those who are poor. today i actually went to the doctor and he told me i couldn't have the best medicine because my insurance wouldn't cover it. is that morally right? that those who cannot make a certain amount of money have to get a cheaper brand perhaps not even the right treatment because greedy insurance companies won't pay for it? or because state insurance companies cannot afford it? no it is not fair nor is it morally right.
i don't care about mccain and his arms, but ok.
as for past histories, as a woman, i do not appreciate mccain calling his wife a dirty trollop nor a cunt.
and many people have bad beginnings. most people do drugs, drink, etc. but it does not mean that they are the worst people in the world nor that they will grow up and change. i rather have a leader that admits his faults and show that he has change, rather than "wave the bloody shirt" and use that as a way to get voters.
anna-marie you said u know pre-med STUDENTS
You should go ask an actual doctor who works in a actual hospital and theyll actually admit that they have to back down people in dire need of help because they don't have the money or health insurance. Also you named all these great schools but i know someone who goes to Harvard Med and only a small percent of them become doctors and when do become doctors they drop there moral standards because EVERYONE needs money you know.
Also you said that your doctor told you to get the cheaper stuff but honestly if you dont have the money make the money cause thats what america is about. The poor will always stay poor unless they do something about it like go to school.
Exactly Gene...I don't know what world you live in that money doesn't matter but I know in the world I live in money means everything. If the government institutes federal health insurance they are going to give way less money to doctors than regular health insurance companies meaning that less people would go through 10 years of college than they do now...and your opinion on how you rather vote for a former drug addict instead of a war hero makes me question your logic
Anyone would admire someone who has fallen down and gotten to the same spot as someone who has always been on top. THAT'S a true hero. And in terms of the economy and the salaries we might not have to pay so much for the same amount ocoverage if we don't spend 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war. That budget will defnitely help pay for jobs. All that war is doing is discouraging more americans.
Oh and I would like to respond to janard about the healthcare. It mite be a bit communist to have federal healthcare but certainly not monopolizing. Barack never said one was obligated to ue the federal healthcare. In fact he stated that one may keep their health care. The healthcare system is merely for those who need healthcare. Giving $5,000 to families that might use it for some other necessities isn't responsible. Especially giving that money to private companies that have stocks in danger due to the UNREGULATED economy the republicans so publicly support. Also, you too speak with your dreams or your perspective and so will I. You probably never went without healthcare because your parents can support it but my mother (middle class single mother of 2 in college with a child in college) could not afford health care because supposably she could afford it. People like that would really like some tax breaks and in fact might use those $5,000 to pay for her child's education which you can't blame her for. You think its a good idea because you never went without health insurance but I did. And it would be nice if my mother didn't have to pay $280 a month per child and that's no dream... I'm talkin REALITY.
Judith u said that u didn't go without health care and so did i but Obama's plan to get EVERYONE health care is toooo radical and stupid cause why do my parents have to pay insurance for all the workers. They should get it themselves because my mom and dad themselves don't have insurance.
Also i don't really admire a person who hit rock bottom cause of a freakin drug. That means he has no mental control of what he does and that makes me think how will he run the country when he couldnt even control himself.
why is it radical to have people healthy in a developed country? it is just logical! if you tell me this is a developing nation then i might see your point but this is a country that claims to work FOR THE PEOPLE. the constitution says WE THE PEOPLE. and also i didnt say everyone agreed with that but most people agree with the idea. If people didnt believe in the recovery of others there would be no rehabilitation centers, no parole officers, no self help books and none of the resources that the united states offers for our people. if anything that is part of the american dream. in the american dream it states that you can reinvent yourself and become someone even if you came from nothing. if you dont believe that then thats your problem but the millions of immigrants and middle classmen would disagree.
It is too radical at the moment because the US isn't at a point in time that it could spend money in pointless things. Right now we need to focus more on the economy because if the economy drops where screwed. Also the recovery centers where made to help people but than again its there to make tons and tons of money so it really isn't made because of moral standards but more of a business.
Also the US says that u reinvent yourself but where talking about our PRESIDENT not a average joe walking down a street. In the end i have to say Obama doesn't have the credibility to run a country as great as America because all of his idea's bring up the question "can he really do all that?"
your tangent point on how a small percentage of students in Harvard Med. only become doctors is for a DIFFERENT reason not even related to the election. Your freshman year of pre-med, you take chemistry in a class of 200. That class as long as with many others, is made to weed out students and make them drop the pre-med program. so that point was a complete digression from the main point.
and "honestly if you dont have the money make the money cause thats what america is about. The poor will always stay poor unless they do something about it like go to school." my father and mother used to work in the 2nd top spanish newspaper in this country. my father was editor in chief and made about 70,000 a year. but then, the company who owned the newspaper decided "i feel like selling and screwing all my workers." there were many offers to buy the newspaper but this man, this big business leader declined it all and shut down the newspaper. my mother and father, as well as my family were left without money, insurance, etc. my mom and dad were forced to not even considering retiring, could not get jobs due to their age, and now run their own small newspaper. but as for insurance, we had to get state insurance. state insurance is great because at least i can go to the doctor, but i do get declined certain right treatments because the state cannot afford it nor can it afford for countless other people in my financial situation. so for saying, "the poor will stay poor unless they go to school" means nothing to me. the poor sometimes cannot get out of their situations no matter how hard they work, how good of a worker they are, etc. my father and mother both attended top colleges in peru, but regardless, we are left squandering in poverty. so thank you, for essentially saying its my parents fault we are poor. you should get on mccain's advertising campaign.
oh and the economy is already screwed. it will take a democrat and tax hikes, to restore this economy, as well as someone that is willing to stand up in the face of the rich.
"oh and the economy is already screwed. it will take a democrat and tax hikes, to restore this economy, as well as someone that is willing to stand up in the face of the rich." I dare you to go to wall street and say that to a CEO or a chairmen.
I am sorry to hear that about your parents but it applies to everyone and its the reason why your parents brought you here instead of peru because in America ANYONE can get a top tier education if they put dedication into it.
Also a democrat and tax hikes and facing the rich isn't going to help anyone its going to drag down the economy of the US and soon enough the world. Democrats did have someone who could have faced the problem which was Hilarry but Obama doesn't have experience helping a nation at this current situation. Even Mccain I believe doesn't have that great of a plan but definitly better than Obama's becuase Obama wants CEO's and Chairmen to give health insurance to ALL there employee's.
Last but no least the economy isn't "screwed" because if it was we wouldn't even be able to live the lives we live right now. Also you look at the economy as if its a joke and you shouldn't because ECONOMY > HEALTH INSURANCE. I'd rather have money than have none with health insurance but run into debt trying to pay health insurance.
The economy is most definitely screwed or else banks wouldn't be getting sold and CEO's wouldn't be penniless the reason we are not yet effected as we once were during the depression is because the money we have in banks are REGULATED (thanks to the democrats). Also you speak of the resources to rehabilitate but many of those are covered by health insurance! And if we don't have health insurance our people will not be fit to work or become a functioning part of society. In terms of Obama's presidency vs Hillary I couldn't agree more. Like I said before I do not like either but its a matter of who has a better plan. Obama's staff and helpers are the same as Bill Clinton's staff (the people that got us out of the recession of George W. Bush Sr.-a republican).
so what does your father losing his job have to do with this? McCain is the person that is targeting the economy...he even took time out his campaign to make sure the bail out was passed...one of the most important things that he suggested was that bank accounts to be insured up to 250000 which i dont know how important it is to you but to some it could mean losing their life savings. And guess who hopped on the bandwagon and suggested it also...Barack...i also love how you think the federal healthcare is going to be any different than the state insurance u have now. Have you heard any details about it. You will probably end up having the same generic medicine and mediocre health services you have. As about the economy...it will be rebounding soon since most of the bad loans are being taken care of...regardless of who becomes president
"As about the economy...it will be rebounding soon since most of the bad loans are being taken care of...regardless of who becomes president"
while I agree with most of the things you said, I have to say... a lot of the talk suggests that we haven't seen the worst yet. if anything, we've missed most of our chances to do something, and our choice for presidency right now is not for someone who can "change" the current situation but someone who can weather the storm the most out of the two candidates. we need someone who can rebuild the trust between the so-called "rich" and the entire financial market, or else our economy (which, by the way, is propped up by our markets) will go down the drain, not someone who can "stand up to the rich". Focus on tax hikes when we can profit the most from them (that is, when our economy is doing the best), not when we desperately need more liquidity in the markets.
janard, if you read the comment that gene said about "poor will stay poor" you would have understood my whole point of my dad losing his job, but ok.
thank you judith ! i was also an avid supporter of hillary clinton, and wholeheartedly agree with what she said. George Bush Sr. = recession = bad economy. Bill Clinton= high rates of employment, country thriving and well. George W. Bush = bad economy the U.S. has seen in decades. obama's plans and staff, are most of bill clinton's old advisers. wouldn't it make a bit of logical sense to put the two and two together and realize that if bill clinton got the economy bouncing again, which his advisers helped on, obama can too? your right, the economy is isn't a joke, but it literally is screwed.
the socalled rich? sorry, but people who make well above the $100,000 + mark are labeled as rich because they are. the government bailed out the rich, because of their greedyness. go america! go republican party! woo! go compromises!
oh the healthcare plan? why yes i have heard the details of it. whats great about it is that EVERYONE gets the SAME EQUAL TREATMENT, which is what america is about. goes to show how the 14th amendment has yet to lived up to its full potential.
Janard. mccain health care plan in just throwing people espeacialy poor people to the same insurance companies that oppresses them. health insurance is a right. To mccain it is privaged. oh and one more thing; change has nothing to do with pop culture it has more to do with insuring people have a descent chance at life and break down the barrier that stop us from achieving a more perfect union. this one goes out to janard and mccain " it's the economy, stupid. The markets will not cure all. As we have seen for the last eight years. obama's a drug addicts and so is mccain's wife. she must be a comunity organizers like he is. you know their all drug addicts. let's get it.
"the government bailed out the rich, because of their greedyness."
The government bailed out the "rich" because they are the ones investing and taking that extra risk in trusting the market. If "rich" people stop investing and start selling or "short selling" (i think its called that) than the economy goes down and something as bad or maybe worse than the great depression might occur. The reason is that if the people (mainly rich) stop investing in the market; the market goes down, than developed nations will stop sending aid to developing nations. Aid as in food and support towards there economy like China. The total shut down of support will cause war over food and the aid that they once abundantly had in developing nations while countries like America will have a increase in the homeless.
SO stop blaming the rich for all the bad things that everyone is going through because they are the reason why we have so much that we can easily look upon.
Also if it wasn't for the FDIC in insuring money in the bank we would have been through the great depression already because people are spending more than what they have "credit crisis". So take it as granted that we have people still taking risk and investing.
the government did.
these rich businessmen took advantage of people who did not have the money nor credit to pay back for their houses, which is the essential root of the problem of this economic crisis. is it fair that these rich businessmen who wanted to become more rich toook advantage of the middle class? no it is not. but the government pardoned this action by bailing out a severe amount of money to wall street.
Apparently, race and age affect the presidential election. It has come to my attention that some eligible voters won't vote because they disagree with having a black president and doubt McCain's ability to last the next four years.
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